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Gaffer'sGirl- 11-13-2007
If you're not sure what I mean, perhaps watch the movie "Big Fish" with Albert Finney and Ewan McGregor. An american movie about a man who tells wild stories all his life to his son. he is then dying and it is the story of how he and his son have to reconnect and how the son has to understand that there was always some truth in his Dad's stories. The consummate story teller!
Anyway enough from me............here endeth the lesson!!!!
:love: Susie
I absolutely love that movie, Susie. And I think you are quite accurate on what a good storyteller does. A storyteller, actor, entertainer will pay attention to how the audience reacts, if there is a lull they will either eliminate or reduce that part of their story in the re-telling and play up the areas that get the laugh or shriek of horror. It's not considered lying, it is, as you implied, entertainment. There is an element of truth, but did everything happen exactly as stated? Probably not, as most people would find a recitation of everything moment by moment kind of boring and the deathnell for an article or talk show.
Sylviane- 11-14-2007
re the embellished stories thing. You might be suprised to know that in Australia we love people who tell what we call "tall stories". It is a time-honored Aussie tradition. So when Ioan goes on TV and embellshes his stories we love it. We always know that there will be a small amount of truth in it and we really don't care cos it is so downright entertaining! Even Hubby enjoys watching them on You tube and the likes. To us it is endearing. And Ioan is a great story teller!! :applaud:
No-one enjoys a great story-teller more than I do, Suzie, and I don't mind Ioan making the story 'bigger' than is. And he is good at telling stories, as we all know. But a good story teller will not talk about 'the fools' in his story while they are in the room, because than the story is no longer entertaining, but painfull. The way he does it by making his fans look like deranged idiots is what annoys me. We are all sitting 'in the room' when he tells his story, because his interviews travel all around. He is talking about real people here. People with emotions, who can get hurt and do not deserve to get hurt. I know that he doesn't seem to know/register/acknowledge that we are real, but I know I am. :cool: It could have been me, that he is talking about.
I guess, because he such a 'computer-illeterate' he doesn't realise that his words travel all around the world in no time. Reminds me of what Jamie Bamber said in People magazine, and allthough he spoke of his looks, I think the same thing applies to actions and spoken words. "I'm aware that it (a scene where he works out or whatever) is going to cause miles and miles of Internet chats." I believe that Ioan is complete unaware of the impact of the Internet and how easy something he say in Australia travels to Europe, USA and everywhere else.
StevieT- 11-14-2007
Here, here, Sylviane! :applause: I mean no offence, Susie, and I have always enjoyed Ioan's Welsh 'gift of the gab'. but when he publicly trashes the people who worked hard for years to put him where he is, the whole scenario becomes tainted. We can laugh at him making an idiot out of himself, or a screaming harpy out of his wife - that's him putting these things out there for public consumption, but when he can't take the consequences of that publicity and spits out his dummy at the rest of us, we can take our toys and go home.
That said, he seems to have been quiet on the subject of late and maybe, just maybe, he's learned a lesson.
Frances- 11-14-2007
By the way...................re the embellished stories thing. You might be suprised to know that in Australia we love people who tell what we call "tall stories". It is a time-honored Aussie tradition. So when Ioan goes on TV and embellshes his stories we love it. We always know that there will be a small amount of truth in it and we really don't care cos it is so downright entertaining! Even Hubby enjoys watching them on You tube and the likes. To us it is endearing. And Ioan is a great story teller!! :applaud:
I love story tellers, too, and Ioan is a great story teller. I think that some embellishment goes into any good story, if you aim at entertaining people rather than inform them.
However, Sylviane is right... You don't talk of the fools while they are in the room, or if you do, you add some mitigating touches to your narration so that they won't appear as all-out nasty, deranged, or idiot.
jessd411- 11-14-2007
That said, he seems to have been quiet on the subject of late and maybe, just maybe, he's learned a lesson.
No way to know really, since he hasn't been doing many interviews lately (nothing to promote). But hopefully by the time he has to promote Fireflies and Moonacre he'll have found something new to talk about.
Shipmate- 11-14-2007
Hope you're right about that, jessd. Like maybe a new house,........FF3...........new baby..........anything!
SusieD- 11-15-2007
Stevie wrote: Here, here, Sylviane! I mean no offence, Susie, and I have always enjoyed Ioan's Welsh 'gift of the gab'. but when he publicly trashes the people who worked hard for years to put him where he is, the whole scenario becomes tainted. We can laugh at him making an idiot out of himself, or a screaming harpy out of his wife - that's him putting these things out there for public consumption, but when he can't take the consequences of that publicity and spits out his dummy at the rest of us, we can take our toys and go home.
That's quite OK, no offence taken Stevie or Sylvianne!
I honestly don't know or understand the comments to which you both refer to. So, please pardon my complete ignorance and apologies for any offence I may have inadvertently caused . Certainly not intended! There are obviously deep wounds there for all of you, so I send my
:kiss :kiss :kiss s.
:love: Susie
Sylviane- 11-15-2007
(Edit: The full story is somewhere in another thread, but I don't remember where.)
I was primarily speaking of his story about two Hornblower fans who came to London, because there was some HH convention (is that how I should call it?). It wasn't known if Ioan would come and the 2 ladies had found out where he lived and decided to go to this place where he and Matthew lived and find out. According to the 2 women there were no problems. They had all been polite with eachother. It had all been very enjoyable. I believe that earlier in his carreer he mentioned how flattered he was. Surprised yes, but still....
And than his story changed to make them sound as invasive, nosy and how it may be even have been dangerous. Now, these were 2 female fans who were just as nervous as he was, who did not expect to be asked in and were just as suprised about being invited into his home, as he must have been at seeing them. And even if Ioan, afterwards, felt strange about what happened, it doesn't give him the right to talk like that about them in public. (TV-interview)
Speaking from how I would feel about all this: I've met several actors, mainly at sci-fi and horror conventions, if one of them would talk about me in the way that Ioan was talking about these 2 ladies, I would be very hurt. Because he can ridicule me on TV and I would know it's about me. Yet I cannot defend myself as I am just an anonymous person. I don't know if this what those ladies feel, I don't speak for them. I just try to put myself in their places and think of how I would feel if it happened to me.
I did not realise that my post also could refer to the way he talks about IOL, but I guess it does.
I am not offended by what you said, because in a way you are absolutely right. Ioan has what it takes to be good story-teller. Maybe I should put it like this: Ioan has the great voice, the charms, the face of a good story-teller, but he should have a script and not.. ahm.. improvise. :razz:
Other than that :hug to you too. :cool:
StevieT- 11-15-2007
No worries, Susie, and thanks for the :kiss. A trawl through the Twilight Zone will enlighten you, but you may prefer to stay bissfully unaware (I wish I was!) That said, maybe his comments wouldn't sting as much for non-LOTFs. :dunno
StevieT- 11-16-2007
A nice little interview from Moving Pictures magazine covering The TV Set and FF:RotSS (not extremely recent, I know, but there's a sweet pic.
http://www.movingpicturesmagazine.com/departments/onscreen/ioangruffudd
And I love the "...I'm not as masculine, looks-wise, yet, as Daniel Craig."
Yet????? doesn't he realize if you ain't macho by 34, you ain't never gonna be macho? And anyhow, we don't want you to be macho, Welshboy! :tsk tsk: You're fine as you are!
Shipmate- 11-16-2007
Thank you Stevie, good one. Very good things don't always have to come in a 'macho' "package", do they? :naughty
Gaffer'sGirl- 11-16-2007
I remember that article, but it's nice to read it again.
I wouldn't want him to be macho in the David Craig sort of way, but if he worked out to have the slim, but muscular frame he had as Hornblower - I could accept him as an action figure. That kind of a wirey, very fit physique looks good on him.
Frances- 11-16-2007
Thanks for the article, Stevie. I've never read it before.
I wouldn't want him to be macho in the Daniel Craig sort of way either; I like him the way he is. Besides, aren't there enough machos in Hollywood already? Who needs another one? :wink:
Gaffer'sGirl- 11-16-2007
Here's a link to a new article that touches on several of Ioan's la-*test*-('") projects. Since it was not about one specific movie, I put it here.
http://www.collider.com/entertainment/interviews/article.asp?aid=6052&tcid=1
StevieT- 11-17-2007
Wonderful, GG!
A question - are alot of interviews conducted by phone? I always wonder why so few of them have at least one original pic to go with them, especialy on the web. Expense, I suppose.
(Annee, I appreciate your hard work, but I am deleting your copy of the interview as the lnk is there and it's pure duplication. Sorry!)
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