Honestly, if I left the peculiar situation/period he found himself living in out, I'd pass this boy off as just another 17-year-old boy, responding to situations as I would expect from so young a boy.

Kaitlyn, I think it's called Dramatic Effect :wink:

Well the boy, in my opinion, is kinda left aside in this situation. I think she is playing hot and cold with him and jerking him around. So I think that he has every right to be pissed of at her. Hey Kaitlyn what kind of war is it? :wink I am feeling a little bit worried for my fathers health now that he has to do some more -*test*-('")s. He had a removal of a growth near his ear and we are waiting on a pathology results. I cant help but feeling numb from all of the things around me. The situation with my parents health, with me being unemployed. It sucks. (Pardon my expression) There is another thing I was a part of another forum that revolves around my favorite show McLeod's Daughters where the members share their views on the subject of fanfiction and art and games and various discussions. I did wrote one fanfic but I mainly post my art there (imagine that) and I felt like I wasn't feeling welcomed anymore - nor that I ever really did. Often my posts were edited or deleted. Simply because I didn't share and even disagreed on others peoples views. So I left that forum. I was asked by my friend to join and at first I wasn't very active member becouse I didn't have online connection but still I tried to participate. Even my fried felt a bit of hostility there and she was a member for a long time. So she asked me to make another forum with her and that is what I am looking forward. I have to say that I remember when I first became a member on Ioanonline I was a bit scared 'cause I didn't even knew how to reply or quote even post a picture back then but I felt most welcomed since everyone was helpful. Even if I was there a couple of months I felt sad that it had to close down. And I found a post with the link to this forum and I signed and joined. And now I am about to open an McLD forum. I am greatfull that I found every one of you and I wanted to post this message for you all!

Selma, I'm sorry to hear your father has to do further -*test*-('")s. I hope everything will turn out fine for him and I wish you can find a job soon. I'm also sorry about the problems you had in the McLeod's Daughters forum you were a member of. I can't imagine someone being bothered by your posts, as you are usually soft-spoken and I've never had problems with what you had to say either here or at IOL. I hope the new forum you are setting up with your friend will be fun, Selma. I think certain things have to be taken into consideration before passing judgement on him, my friend believes he is a jerk and should be disowned. Minus the war and minus the death of his parents, situations like what the two characters were in, happen alot at my school. I don't think he did a thing wrong, he didn't come on to her, she went to him and I mean, what message are you supposed to get if a person comes up when you're asleep and decides to kiss you? "Oh, right it's fine. Kiss me and then leave me hanging, it's cool." What teenage boy is going to react nicely to a girl doing what this girl did? Especially considering his circumstances. We are on the same wave length about this issue then, Kaitlyn.

Kaitlyn - I could understand a boy of that age being upset and confused by the situation and even more so by the circumstances. No doubt that would result in anger and being ticked off at the other person. The girl should take into consideration her own actions and give him a second chance at working out a relationship, setting straight expectations and boundaries. Selma - Sorry to hear about your father. I hope that the biopsy is benign. Good luck with your new website. Let us know about it in Not Ioans when it's up and running. Like Frances, I don't think you've ever posted anything here that wasn't soft-spoken and kind.

Isn't it great to be able to interact with others interested in or doing the same things as you, Marian? I'm glad you are enjoying your workshops.

Sounds like the same kind of fun and information I got at the Scriptwriting Expo last fall. You would really enjoy that Marian. Around 5000 participants and many speakers working in the business, plus seminars. With all this work you are doing maybe you'll get the chance to attend someday. I have feeling you would love it. Anyway, glad to hear the seminar has been beneficial to you and your writing.

kaitlyn, I apologise. I assumed you were talking about the plot of a drama (film or TV perhaps) and I was - flippantly, I admit - alluding to the fact that some actions are plot devices, to 'spice' things up and keep a story going. Forgive me. I am old, cynical and very world-weary at the moment, and sometimes forget what it was to be passionate about an 'issue'.

Zoo station wrote: If I was in his position, but in normal circumstances not war/loss, and a person I really liked started things like this girl did and then stopped. I hate to say it but I'd get pretty pissed off purely because I didn't start it, they did, and they sent me the wrong message. I wouldn't be direct about it, I'd say 'Fine, when you're ready' but deep down I'd be a bit 'Oh, ripped off'...it's just he was way upfront about it. Sorry I haven't been on line much lately one and all............son moving interstate, school recommencing, planning a 21st................all the usual stuff! Zoo I just found your discussion. As a Mum I can relate, especially as my daughter discusses not dissimilar friendship issues from school. She has a male platonic friend (17) who drives her nuts. The relationship always has to be on his terms like the girl in the story. When he is needy and clingy he will be all over her and the other girls and I've witnessed this in our home.............all cuddly and touchy. If she gets annoyed he assumes (wrongly) that she is interested in him. It's the hot/cold thing that she finds most annoying. We organised a family/group get-together/dinner. On the night his Mum, Dad and brother turn up but not him....he had gone camping with another group of kids. Our get-together was booked up ages ago. No apology, no explanation ever given to my daughter or the other friends. As much as I like this kid. (and he is a very likeable lad)............I put it down to typical 17 year old boy.......going where the good time is. In other words he is fickle. In your discussion it is the girl playing this boy. I don't see the boy as the problem but the girl and in that case he is better off without her and is right to push her away. Susie D

Does anyone ever feel like sometimes a person just goes out of their way to make you feel like crap? It's how I've felt all day today... There is this girl in my class, and friendship group unfortunately, who seems to have this issue with everyone not being a mild child genius like she is. She is in more or less all of my classes that require having an opinion and for years her and I have always clashed and never gotten along in class discussions. Normally I'd try not to look too far into it but today, she had my ex-boyfriend on side who is also a mild child genius by my normal school standards. The other day we had history in our humanities class and she went on and on about how 'fighting violence with violence is just going to invoke more violence' and about all the wars that she seemed to know every possible detail about and my friend and I were eagerly awaiting this humanities class, of which, was supposed to be geography. They changed it to Human Rights. That was asking for trouble The whole issue started with her and I go head to head over whether or not Freedom of Speech is actually an absolute human right and whether or not it should be absolute. She took that as an invitation to interrupt me every single time I tried to say what I had to say and she decided to use huge words I didn't know the meaning of so I couldn't respond effectively. I'm not an articulate speaker, I'm fine with righting my thoughts down but I can't string an intelligent and effective sentence together when I'm in a situation. It's actually really embarrassing and makes me feel so uncomfortable in group discussions. The teacher made it one hundred million squillion times worse by actually coming out and saying: "I'm going to go with Jo on this one. I love that she used 'incroaching on one's basic human rights' for her example. It's the language I'd use." Could've broken down I'm telling you! I was working my butt off in that argument and she got teacher's preference because she belittled me with bigger words. She out did herself today with the interrupting/arguing stakes and I have never felt so ignorant and out of control mentally in my life...